Recently there has been some discussion about candies here, and there were discussions of some candies in other countries that aren't available in the US (at least, ones I hadn't heard of). This made me think about certain food items in the US that aren't very common in other countries. I've read about some of these, but I'm curious what people here might think, if you're familiar with these and if so, if you like them or not.

Peanut butter: I've heard about people in other countries trying peanut butter, and for those who haven't tried it before, it seems people may be put off by it at first due to it being thick and sometimes sticking to your gums, etc.. I personally like peanut butter - I like the flavor and consistency. I sometimes like peanut butter & jelly sandwiches, and sometimes as a spread for celery, etc..

Miracle Whip: I thought this was fairly common, but apparently it's not, outside of the US (and I think Canada too). I've heard Miracle Whip is somewhat similar to 'salad cream' in the UK. Miracle Whip is similar to mayonnaise but has a bit sweeter flavor. It can be used in place of mayonnaise on sandwiches & such. I've heard people say it's technically a salad dressing, though I've never tried it on salad, myself. I do like Miracle Whip, but it seems a lot of people these days don't.

Ranch dressing: This is a popular salad dressing in the US. It's basically a savory creamy dressing (I'm not sure exactly how to describe it, but I'd probably say it tastes herby). It's also popular as a dip for vegetables (sometimes it's made as a thicker Ranch dip), and the Ranch flavor is also a popular flavor for tortilla chips and sometimes potato chips & other things.

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Over in the UK they like the item called salad cream.


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On 24 Jun 2024, Nightfox said the following...

Recently there has been some discussion about candies here, and there
were discussions of some candies in other countries that aren't
available in the US (at least, ones I hadn't heard of). This made me think about certain food items in the US that aren't very common in
other countries. I've read about some of these, but I'm curious what

Rootbeer and the soda style of gingerbeer are hit or miss abroad.

Cranberry Jelly and canned pumpkin took some searching as well.

Package goods and drinks might have a local equivilent or not be readily available. If you were hooked on say the Kraft Dinner mac & cheese or Hamburger Helper, hard to find. If you family craved a Captain Crunch or Maple Syrup, or L'eggo Waffles, hard to come up with.

Oftenb if you had access to a US Military base store, or even the local shops catering to a base or significant civilian project, you could get that Dr Pepper and Frosted Flakes you were missing.

Not a lot of TexMex products outside of the states it seemed, as I could get those from the base store and locals were amazed what was served.

I'm sure I will think of more.

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On 24 Jun 2024, Nightfox said the following...

Miracle Whip: I thought this was fairly common, but apparently it's not, outside of the US (and I think Canada too). I've heard Miracle Whip is somewhat similar to 'salad cream' in the UK. Miracle Whip is similar to mayonnaise but has a bit sweeter flavor. It can be used in place of mayonnaise on sandwiches & such. I've heard people say it's technically
a salad dressing, though I've never tried it on salad, myself. I do
like Miracle Whip, but it seems a lot of people these days don't.

The Salad Cream comparision is sort of accurate, but they taste different enough that you can't pass them off as each other.

Miracle Whip adds vinegar, paprika, cornstarch, sugar, garlic power and mustard powder to classic mayonnaise.

Salad Cream (actually a Heinz product) and technically is not a mayonnaise-based product. Egg yokes, cream, vinegar, lemon juice and seasonings (mustard, a bit of cayenne pepper, salt & white pepper) round out a typical homemade recipe.

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Recently there has been some discussion about candies here, and there
were discussions of some candies in other countries that aren't
available in the US (at least, ones I hadn't heard of). This made me

I've heard from friends that our US box cake mix is a novelty over seas. I
have some family with friends in Ireland who fill a suitcase with them...

Here in the US it was hard to get Currant and Gooseberry and they were super normal in the Czech Rep. The Goosberries maybe just here in the North East as they carried blister rust and were banned as they threatened the softwood timber crops.

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Peanut butter: I've heard about people in other countries trying peanut

We have Peanut.. I believe ours has far less sugar than yours, although this might have changed over time. I don't mind it, if you're gettting your mouth stuck in it, you've got to much on your bread. One of my go tos for toast,
but you can keep the PB&J although the kids used to eat them.

Miracle Whip: I thought this was fairly common, but apparently it's not, somewhat similar to 'salad cream' in the UK. Miracle Whip is similar

I have never heard of either of these things. But they're also not the sort
of thing that would be in my wheelhouse. It brings to mind Mayo, or mayo
mixed with something, and these are all well up my despised list. I'll take
my salad naked any day.

Ranch dressing: This is a popular salad dressing in the US. It's basically a savory creamy dressing (I'm not sure exactly how to describe it, but I'd

See above try giving it to the steers on the Ranch. I think we do actually have this kind of thing here.

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Rootbeer and the soda style of gingerbeer are hit or miss abroad.

We get genuine Ginger Beer, and more Sarsaparilla than root beer, which while similar is different. It'll usually be in some "US Foods" store...

available. If you were hooked on say the Kraft Dinner mac & cheese or Hamburger Helper, hard to find. If you family craved a Captain Crunch or Maple Syrup, or L'eggo Waffles, hard to come up with.

Aside from Kraft which we do have, the rest would be a matter of looking for
an quivalent, we have plenty of fake Maple, and some hiddeously expensive
real stuff. Haven't had waffles in a LOONG time, can't remember what brand
we used to get now, this was in my youth, and parents were doing the purchasing.

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Re: American foods
By: Spectre to Nightfox on Wed Jun 26 2024 12:43 am

Miracle Whip: I thought this was fairly common, but apparently it's not,
somewhat similar to 'salad cream' in the UK. Miracle Whip is similar

I have never heard of either of these things. But they're also not the sort of thing that would be in my wheelhouse. It brings to mind Mayo, or mayo mixed with something, and these are all well up my despised list. I'll take my salad naked any day.

I tend to think of them as condiments for sandwiches rather than something to put on salad. And it doesn't even have to be for vegetables. I think one of the classic American foods I remember from growing up is the bologna & cheese sandwich, often with mayo & mustard (and you could use Miracle Whip in place of mayo).

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Re: Re: American foods
By: k9zw to Nightfox on Tue Jun 25 2024 06:46 am

Maple Syrup, or L'eggo Waffles, hard to come up with.

Eggo, not L'eggo

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Recently there has been some discussion about candies here, and there were discussions of some candies in other countries that aren't available in the US (at least, ones I hadn't heard of). This made me think about certain food items in the US that aren't very common in other countries. I've read about some of these, but I'm curious what people here might think, if you're familiar with these and if so, if you like them or not.

Peanut butter: I've heard about people in other countries trying peanut butter, and for those who haven't tried it before, it seems people may be put off by it at first due to it being thick and sometimes sticking to your gums, etc.. I personally like peanut butter - I like the flavor and consistency.
I sometimes like peanut butter & jelly sandwiches, and sometimes as a spread for celery, etc..

Miracle Whip: I thought this was fairly common, but apparently it's not, outside of the US (and I think Canada too). I've heard Miracle Whip is somewhat similar to 'salad cream' in the UK. Miracle Whip is similar to mayonnaise but has a bit sweeter flavor. It can be used in place of mayonnaise on sandwiches & such. I've heard people say it's technically a salad dressing, though I've never tried it on salad, myself. I do like Miracle Whip, but it seems a lot of people these days don't.

Ranch dressing: This is a popular salad dressing in the US. It's basically a savory creamy dressing (I'm not sure exactly how to describe it, but I'd probably say it tastes herby). It's also popular as a dip for vegetables (sometimes it's made as a thicker Ranch dip), and the Ranch flavor is also a popular flavor for tortilla chips and sometimes potato chips & other things.

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Your writing about favorite food(s) in North America cause me to remember the rectangle shaped frozen Fish.

In thee evening while watching television when a commercial came on I would get a piece of frozen fish out of the refrigerators freezer, take the lid off of the Deep Fryer and put the fish in the basket and lower the basket on to the solid grease, turn the temperature dial all the way up and then go back in the room to watch TV.

When the next commercial came on I would go turn the Deep Fryer off and make my Fish Sandwich and go watch the rest of what I been watching

I don't know if that routine would work today because the commercial time(s) are 2 or 3 times longer than I remember they were when I was a kid.
2 or 3 commercials in a row appear during their time slots is what is shown nowadays.
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Re: American foods
By: Ed Vance to Nightfox on Tue Jun 25 2024 03:47 pm

Your writing about favorite food(s) in North America cause me to remember the rectangle shaped frozen Fish.

It's not necessarily about favorite foods, but foods common in the US. I was curious if anyone here in other countries had tried them and what they thought of them.

In thee evening while watching television when a commercial came on I would get a piece of frozen fish out of the refrigerators freezer, take the lid off of the Deep Fryer and put the fish in the basket and lower the basket on to the solid grease, turn the temperature dial all the way up and then go back in the room to watch TV.

That sounds good, and sounds like something that would be relatively common in the US too. I don't think many people in the US have a deep fryer at home though. We can buy fillets of fish at many supermarkets, though. Lately, air fryers have become somewhat popular in the US, and I might be tempted to cook a piece of fish like that in the air fryer.

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I tend to think of them as condiments for sandwiches rather than something to put on salad. And it doesn't even have to be for vegetables. I think one of the classic American foods I remember from growing up is the bologna & cheese sandwich, often with mayo & mustard (and you could use Miracle Whip in place of mayo).

It was all looking so good here to you ruined a perfectly good sanger with
some exceedingly dubious condiments :P

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Re: American foods
By: Spectre to Nightfox on Wed Jun 26 2024 08:02 am

Miracle Whip in place of mayo).

It was all looking so good here to you ruined a perfectly good sanger with some exceedingly excellent condiments :P

Fixed it for you. ;)

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I went to a pizza place in Brixton in May and was bewildered at the idea of salad cream and pizza.


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It was all looking so good here to you ruined a perfectly good sanger
with some exceedingly excellent condiments :P

Fixed it for you. ;)

Why is my sanger evidencing heightened flacidity all of a sudden?

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Rootbeer and the soda style of gingerbeer are hit or miss abroad.

It was interesting to find out that, evidently, herbal toothpaste in Germany (to an American) tastes like root beer.

And thus Germans are way more likely to think that root beer tastes like herbal toothpaste, and dislike the flavor.

And, also, that Cheetos are mostly stopped from being in Europe because one company intentionally has "Chitos", where they _barely_ sell the brand, but use it to keep Cheetos from being legally sold over here.

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On 25 Jun 2024, Nightfox said the following...

Eggo, not L'eggo

Perhaps I portmandeaued the L'Eggs pantyhose displays with the waffle Eggo?

Probably made from the same synthetic chemicals.....

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Your writing about favorite food(s) in North America cause me to remember the >rectangle shaped frozen Fish.

I remember those. IIRC, I think it was a particular brand that made the rectangle shaped frozen fish but I cannot remember which one.


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k9zw wrote to Nightfox <=-

Package goods and drinks might have a local equivilent or not be
readily available. If you were hooked on say the Kraft Dinner mac & cheese or Hamburger Helper, hard to find. If you family craved a
Captain Crunch or Maple Syrup, or L'eggo Waffles, hard to come up with.

Cuts of meat are different in the UK - I need a Meat Thesaurus when I
follow one of Jamie Oliver's recipes. Then, I need to figure out what
turning the Hob to 6 is in my kitchen...



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k9zw wrote to Nightfox <=-

Salad Cream (actually a Heinz product) and technically is not a mayonnaise-based product. Egg yokes, cream, vinegar, lemon juice and seasonings (mustard, a bit of cayenne pepper, salt & white pepper)
round out a typical homemade recipe.

My brain is bent, I'm reading this and thinking "Salad Cream Soda".



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Ed Vance wrote to Nightfox <=-

I don't know if that routine would work today because the commercial time(s) are 2 or 3 times longer than I remember they were when I was a kid. 2 or 3 commercials in a row appear during their time slots is
what is shown nowadays.

Its weird watching older TV shows that I watched in reruns as a kid in
the late '70s. Star Trek, for example.

They cut a couple of minutes out of the rerun versions to fit in more
commercials than originally planned for. It wasn't until I watched the
DVD versions of the series and saw scenes that I *swear* I hadn't seen
in the hundreds of times watching them in reruns that I figured out
what was going on.





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Ed Vance wrote to Nightfox <=-

When the next commercial came on I would go turn the Deep Fryer off and make my Fish Sandwich and go watch the rest of what I been watching

Ok, now I want to go to McDonalds and get a filet o' fish sammich.


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k9zw wrote to Nightfox <=-

Perhaps I portmandeaued the L'Eggs pantyhose displays with the waffle Eggo?

Did you see the XKCD comic about Wikipedia, where the author made the background a Wikipedia entry for "Malamanteau"?

https://xkcd.com/739/

"A malamanteau is a neologism for a portmanteau created by incorrectly combining a malapropism with a neologism. It is itself a portmanteau
of..."



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Dumas Walker wrote to ED VANCE <=-

I remember those. IIRC, I think it was a particular brand that made
the rectangle shaped frozen fish but I cannot remember which one.

Gorton's of Gloucester is burned into my head from commercials in the
70s and 80s. At least here in California.



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Re: American foods
By: Ed Vance to Nightfox on Tue Jun 25 2024 03:47 pm

It's not necessarily about favorite foods, but foods common in the US. I was curious if anyone here in other countries had tried them and what they thought of them.

That sounds good, and sounds like something that would be relatively common in the US too. I don't think many people in the US have a deep fryer at home though. We can buy fillets of fish at many supermarkets, though. Lately, air fryers have become somewhat popular in the US, and I might be tempted to cook a piece of fish like that in the air fryer.

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One thing I failed to mention is the frozen fish piece is breaded.

I don't have any experience with Air Fryers to make a comment about them.
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Eggo, not L'eggo

Perhaps I portmandeaued the L'Eggs pantyhose displays with the waffle Eggo?

L'Eggo with Eggo is a current advertising slogan for the waffles, and "Leggo my Eggo" was used in advertising for decades. Plenty of opportunity to have it burned into our brains.

The L'Eggs connection is interesting, I remember there being a kind of meme about pantyhose sold in an egg, but I don't think I understood at the time that the name was L'Eggs and it was clever marketing. Today I learned! :)

Probably made from the same synthetic chemicals.....

Delicious synthetic chemicals. Mmmmm.


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Its weird watching older TV shows that I watched in reruns as a kid in
the late '70s. Star Trek, for example.

They cut a couple of minutes out of the rerun versions to fit in more
commercials than originally planned for. It wasn't until I watched the
DVD versions of the series and saw scenes that I *swear* I hadn't seen
in the hundreds of times watching them in reruns that I figured out
what was going on.

I don't know which channels or content this is most common on, but at least in some cases they will also SPEED UP the playback slightly also. With the audio pitch-corrected, running the video a few % faster is "hardly noticeable". They're shameless!

In Canada we have a long-running TV show "This Hour Has 22 Minutes", the name is a reference to an old CBC news magazine titled "This Hour Has Seven Days" and also refers to the "30-minute timeslot" show having 22 minutes of content. These days, This Hour Has 22 Minutes only has 21 minutes.


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Its weird watching older TV shows that I watched in reruns as a kid in
the late '70s. Star Trek, for example.

They cut a couple of minutes out of the rerun versions to fit in more
commercials than originally planned for. It wasn't until I watched the
DVD versions of the series and saw scenes that I *swear* I hadn't seen
in the hundreds of times watching them in reruns that I figured out
what was going on.

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When I was a kid, on Saturday morning I watched Captain Midnight and Commando Cody.
Cartoon Shows weren't thought of.
And YES, I sent in two Ovaltine labels to get a Secret Squadron Decoder so I could learn what next week's show was going to be about.

Found out I didn't care for the taste of Ovaltine, Nestle's QUIK taste better. Much better than Hershey's Cocoa.
I never could get the correct combination of cocoa, sugar and milk to suit my taste buds.
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I looked at that XKCD page.

Lots of words I see in BBS messages and Wikipedia and some other sites I visit have words that I have no idea what they mean.

A long time ago I put the Dictionary Thesaurus at wordweb.info on the XP pc. While reading something on the XP box, if I didn't understand a word I could hover the mouse pointer on the word, Right Click and WW would pop up letting me see the definition.

Even on this cellphone if I see a word that puzzles me, I usually have the XP on and can open WW and type the word in it to see what it meant.

Wordweb is a fine tool, I recommend it.
Helps me a bunch.
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Gorton's of Gloucester is burned into my head from commercials in the
70s and 80s. At least here in California.

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Gorton's , I see in grocery stores today.

Don't know what Brand the family bought back in the late 1950's.
It might have been prepared in the Store, I think the package was Shrinkwraped instead of being in a printed box as Gorton's is.
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On 25 Jun 2024, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Cuts of meat are different in the UK - I need a Meat Thesaurus when I
follow one of Jamie Oliver's recipes. Then, I need to figure out what
turning the Hob to 6 is in my kitchen...

There are printed and online cross-references, though we have our own which is multi-way conversions.

Why?

We also cook from metric recipes and have been trying (and updating) old family recipes from a hundred + years ago. Those have special challenges (like if it calls for 2-cents of butter or a penny packet of yeast, when was it written as depending on when that amount will vary a lot. Some are easier, like if a recipe calls for "eine pfund" it is either 500 grams (half a kilo) or 450 grams (the old true "pound"). Most of the time that 10% difference won't matter, but if you are doing something that reacts with other ingredients it might.

It all adds to the adventure!

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On 26 Jun 2024, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Did you see the XKCD comic about Wikipedia, where the author made the background a Wikipedia entry for "Malamanteau"?

https://xkcd.com/739/

"A malamanteau is a neologism for a portmanteau created by incorrectly combining a malapropism with a neologism. It is itself a portmanteau of..."

At time it seems like writers from Monty Python are contributing to XKCD?

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Re: Re: American foods
By: AKAcastor to K9zw on Wed Jun 26 2024 10:03 am

L'Eggo with Eggo is a current advertising slogan for the waffles, and "Leggo my Eggo" was used in advertising for decades. Plenty of opportunity to have it burned into our brains.

I almost forgot about those.. I remember hearing about those in the 80s, maybe from commercials or seeing them in stores.

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Re: Re: American foods
By: Ed Vance to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jun 26 2024 12:26 pm

Found out I didn't care for the taste of Ovaltine, Nestle's QUIK taste better. Much better than Hershey's Cocoa.

I think Nestle QUIK came in those rectangular metal containers with the circular metal lid you'd have to pry out with a spoon/knife?

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Re: Re: American foods
By: Ed Vance to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jun 26 2024 12:26 pm

I think Nestle QUIK came in those rectangular metal containers with the circular metal lid you'd have to pry out with a spoon/knife?

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I can't recall if the container was metal or cardboard
You are right about using a spoon to open the round lid.

Lately QUIK came in Plastic and the lid is plastic too.
When empty, they are good to keep other things in.
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Found out I didn't care for the taste of Ovaltine, Nestle's QUIK taste better. Much better than Hershey's Cocoa. I never could get the
correct combination of cocoa, sugar and milk to suit my taste buds.

All of those run well behind Milo here, weirdly still a nestle product.
There's just as much argument about just how to make the stuff though.
Cadbury Bournville Cocoa isn't to bad, but if limited secret recipe to making it is your thing, Drinking Chocolate is probably an easier proposition.

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I think Nestle QUIK came in those rectangular metal containers with the circular metal lid you'd have to pry out with a spoon/knife?

I can't recall if the container was metal or cardboard
You are right about using a spoon to open the round lid.

Here they were carboard tubes with metal ends, and that wacky lid that if you got a bit energetic with you'd end up with it inside the can.

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Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Ed Vance <=-

Ok, now I want to go to McDonalds and get a filet o' fish sammich.

I think it's Cap'n Highlander who makes a frozen "Fish Burger" that are
quite good. I BBQ those for myself when I cook steak for Andrea. I love
beef but can't eat it anymore.

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I remember those. IIRC, I think it was a particular brand that made
the rectangle shaped frozen fish but I cannot remember which one.

Gorton's of Gloucester is burned into my head from commercials in the
70s and 80s. At least here in California.

I think that Gorton's are the ones I remember also.


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On 26 Jun 2024, Nightfox said the following...

Re: Re: American foods
By: Ed Vance to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jun 26 2024 12:26 pm

Found out I didn't care for the taste of Ovaltine, Nestle's QUIK tast better. Much better than Hershey's Cocoa.

Ovaltine is all about the taste (and health benefits) of Malt. Most versions use cocoa as a flavoring.

It is also a product that is different in various markets, excluding some ingredients or adding new ones in various countries.

It isn't even made by the same group in different major market areas.

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Re: Re: American foods
By: k9zw to Nightfox on Thu Jun 27 2024 11:08 am

Found out I didn't care for the taste of Ovaltine, Nestle's QUIK
tast better. Much better than Hershey's Cocoa.

Ovaltine is all about the taste (and health benefits) of Malt. Most

You replied to me, but what you quoted (and are replying to) was written by someone else.. I didn't write anything about ovaltine.

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I am the one who used the word Ovaltine.


IT'S EDS FAULT!!!!

Ed
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Re: Re: American foods
By: Ed Vance to Nightfox on Sat Jun 29 2024 05:52 pm

I am the one who used the word Ovaltine.

It would help to quote the part of the message you're responding to, to make it easier to follow the conversation.

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AKAcastor wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

I don't know which channels or content this is most common on, but at least in some cases they will also SPEED UP the playback slightly also.
With the audio pitch-corrected, running the video a few % faster is "hardly noticeable". They're shameless!

I didn't know that! I suppose if you look at the big picture, that's a
LOT of advertising revenue...


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Ed Vance wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Lots of words I see in BBS messages and Wikipedia and some other sites
I visit have words that I have no idea what they mean.

As much as I LOVE paper books, reading on Kindle is great for aging
vision, and having an on-demand dictionary is handy. Especially when
reading period literature, like some Sherlock Holmes mysteries I've
been reading.



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k9zw wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

challenges (like if it calls for 2-cents of butter or a penny packet of yeast, when was it written as depending on when that amount will vary a lot. Some are easier, like if a recipe calls for "eine pfund" it is either 500 grams (half a kilo) or 450 grams (the old true "pound").
Most of the time that 10% difference won't matter, but if you are doing something that reacts with other ingredients it might.

I have hand-written recipes that are all measured in currency or
pinches. I needed to remember that she was 4'10" and her pinches were
smaller than mine!




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Quoting Poindexter Fortran to K9zw <=-

I have hand-written recipes that are all measured in currency or
pinches. I needed to remember that she was 4'10" and her pinches were smaller than mine!

Laugh. Before my grandmother passed away my mother made her make the
treats we all loved and she measured how much was a pinch, handful, smidgeon etc. So there's always two versions of the recipe when you get one that
was Granny's. The one she wrote, and mom's translation following it.

Shawn

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Laugh. Before my grandmother passed away my mother made her make the treats we all loved and she measured how much was a pinch, handful, smidgeon etc. So there's always two versions of the recipe when you
get one that was Granny's. The one she wrote, and mom's translation following it.

I think we haad a few like that. Lost to time now unfortunately. But we had non-recipes.... it had to look and feel like this when it was ready to bake.. no hard or fast recipe... mostly things like scones.

Spec


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Quoting Spectre to Tiny <=-

I think we haad a few like that. Lost to time now unfortunately. But

It happens.

we had non-recipes.... it had to look and feel like this when it was
ready to bake.. no hard or fast recipe... mostly things like scones.

Yes that's what Mom made her bake in front of her. LOL

Shawn

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